Personnel management/costs: recurring additional payments
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Arne Semmler
It would be nice if it was possible to enter recurring, contractually agreed additional payments such as Christmas bonus (13th month salary), vacation pay, etc., in Projo's contract information, which are then automatically apportioned to the monthly salary by Projo so that they evenly burden the projects. In liquidity planning, however, they should be taken into account with their actual payment date.
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Klaus Focke
I would be pleased at this point if not only the regularity could be deposited, but also that the 13th salary as “vacation pay”, e.g. in June and as “Christmas bonus” in November, is calculated at 50% of the gross salary in order to avoid manually entering salary amounts. Then even in the event of salary increases, the 13th salary, which is paid out 50:50, would not have to be adjusted manually.
Benedikt Voigt
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A first version is online. Even if it's just informative for now.
Feel free to give feedback.
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Karola Papenhusen
Benedikt Voigt: Great - I was already on it - I just have the question of how it has to be registered:
For recurring payments, there is also a month - what must be entered here for an annual payment? 12 months? Or is it then taken into account on a monthly basis?
Benedikt Voigt
Karola Papenhusen: Exactly, you would have to enter 12 months. We could then like to change this to “yearly” in the ad.
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Karola Papenhusen
Benedikt Voigt: That would be great! And what happens in the event of salary changes - it would also have to enter a term so that it does not run twice when there are changes.
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Stahl, Friedemann
Benedikt Voigt: Well done! We will now include all regular additional payments over the next few days in our salaries.
I have more additions. If the start of a payment can be entered, it should also be possible to enter the end of a payment or a specific number of months. This is needed, for example, in the case of inflation compensation premiums.
Basically, this involves gross payments, i.e. payments that are added to the employee's basic salary. Could another column be added with the gross annual salary and the resulting average monthly salary (also suggested by Johannes Pfau)? This would make salaries comparable.
Ultimately, only gross values make sense here; it is not payroll accounting.
A nice option would be a column for collective salaries, even though everything is supertariff these days, and a column that gives the percentage value “total gross/gross tariff”.
Benedikt Voigt
Stahl, Friedemann: ok, we would be happy to include the end date. There will be a different view of the average gross monthly salary. This will be presented at UserGroup February 2024. I've just invited you to a cost rate meeting on January 25, 2024, where there's a pre-premiere;) In case you'd like to give feedback.
Arne Semmler
Merged in a post:
Inflation compensation premium
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Rainer Streule
We would like to take into account the inflation compensation premium for employees/in liquidity planning - but without AG share as this does not apply. Entering one-time/special payments is relatively complex.
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Florian Scholl
I would like to bring this issue up a bit again, as it would also be very helpful, for example, for the inflation compensation premium (if it is paid out over a period of time).
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Johannes Pfau
In addition, you could then introduce a column that shows all gross payments in a year + AG share + additional payments. Then you would have a direct sum of all personnel costs there.
Thinking even further, you could build a kind of simulation for the development of personnel costs with a column for salary increase from DD.MM.YY...
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Karola Papenhusen
monthly additional costs such as childcare subsidies, etc. - that would be great! However, the social security impact must also be taken into account here - could university costs for dual students also be included? These also fall within the area of personnel costs.
Arne Semmler
E.g. 13th month salary/Christmas bonus
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Kristin Johnke
It would also be useful to be able to store monthly recurring payments - such as travel allowances, etc. - without having to create a separate line for each month and update it again after 1 year
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Thomas Mehring
As a fixed payment that does not have to be re-registered every year! And only any pending royalties/special payments/ bonuses/bonuses (amount has not yet been determined, a special payment is only being considered for now...) should not automatically be visible to the MA - but should still be included in liquidity planning!